Illinois Speleological Survey, Inc.
ISS Meeting Minutes - March 16, 1997

ISS Meeting Minutes - 1997/03/16
ISM Research and Collections Center, Springfield, IL

 Call to Order at 10:17

 Introduction of Directors and Officers

 Officers: 

        President: Philip Moss 
        Vice-President: Joel Laws 
        Treasurer: none 
        Recording Secretary: Philip Newell 

 Member Organizations and Directors: 

        Illinois Natural History Survey - Dr. Donald Webb 
        Illinois State Museum - Dr. Rickard Toomey 
        Little Egypt Grotto - Marc Stamborski 
        Mark Twain Grotto - David Mahon 
        Meramec Valley Grotto - Jim Sherrell 
        Mid-Mississippi Valley Grotto - Darrol Gasawski 
        Mississippi Karst Resource Planning Committee - Philip Moss 
proxy for Joan Bade 
        Near-Normal Grotto - Dr. John Marquart 
        Stygian Grotto - Kevin Berdak 
        Windy City Grotto - Jack Wood proxy for David Anderson 

 Reading of Minutes

        The minutes were accepted, unanimously, as written without a 
reading of them. 

 Old Business

     1.Database diskettes: Aaron Addison reported that he has 
prepared input interfaces for both any Windows PC and Web 
Browsers. The browser access requires a individual user-id and 
passwords. It offers the advantage of platform independence. Dr. 
John Marquart initiated a discussion regarding the adequacy of 
protection.  Alternatively, one can send a diskette with the data to 
Rick Toomey at the Illinois State Museum. The database structure 
can be acquired from Aaron, but there is no help written into the 
program. The program can be run by any PC with Windows 3.1 or 
higher. It is proposed that the Data Management Committee meet 
along with Aaron Addison and Joel Laws to work out the final 
details of the database structure. See contact sheet attached for 
phone numbers and e-mail addresses. 
     2.NSS Affiliation: Darrol Gasawski reported that he sent a letter 
to the National Speleological Society on 1 February 1997. No 
response has been received yet. Philip Moss related that NSS 
affiliation will require that all Directors be NSS members. The 
organizations do not have to be I/Os of the NSS according to Dave 
Taylor says Philip Moss. 
     3.Research Community Awareness: John Marquart distributed 
suggestions for making the ISS known to the research community. 
He detailed the following candidate methods: Letters and Posters, 
Internet Web Pages, and Letter-of-Announcement. During the 
following discussion, there were two motions. John Marquart 
moved that the ISS establish a presence on the Internet. It passed 
unanimously. Rick Toomey and Jerry Jeremiah volunteered to be 
on an Internet Committee. Joel Laws offered to host the web pages 
at UMSL. Preference for hosting at  Illinois State Museum was 
expressed by several Directors. There was a motion for Rick 
Toomey and Jerry Jeremiah to establish a presence on the Internet 
as guided by the preceding discussion. It passed unanimously.  
Jerry asked about content approval. Philip Moss advised him to use 
his discretion. Philip Moss advised that anyone who has input 
regarding increasing the research community's awareness of the 
ISS should contact Dr. John Marquart. 
     4.Availability of ISM attorneys: We need to defend the ISS 
database from subpoena. Rick Toomey reports that the ISM 
attorneys will defend our database with the same vigor that they 
would if it was paleontological or archaeological data. Defense 
would be aimed at the database in its entirety and not to withhold 
data necessary for good public or legal decision making. 
     5.The Illinois Natural History Survey's Status: Dr. Don Webb 
reminded that his participation provides  visibility into the IDNR. 
He provided the required Annual Report which highlighted the 
biota manuscript and  amphipod status. He related that he was in 
South Africa in November and working on the Spring Survey 
during another meeting. He will be more diligent about obtaining an 
alternate. There was discussion about amending the 
Constitution/Bylaws to replace shall with may. It was stated that the 
Illinois Natural History Survey had missed 3 consecutive meetings. 
Dr. John Marquart's motion to not remove the Illinois Natural 
History Survey's voting privileges passed unanimously. 
     6.ISS Projects: Gating of Burton Cave: David Mahon related 
that the steel was obtained last week. The gating is planned for 
Saturday and Sunday June 7-8. The cave is in Adams County near 
Quincy. He explained that plenty of rod had been obtained. Several 
people offered equipment. Philip Moss suggested that those 
offering equipment or skills contact David directly. Foglepole Cave 
Clean-up: Jim Sherrell proposed Saturday August 2 for this 
activity. He will request a permit. The plan is to enter Foglepole 
Cave and exit the Keller Entrance. To preserve amphipod habitat, 
all wood, rotting logs, and leaf litter will be left undisturbed. The 
endangered amphipods cannot be recognized by casual inspection. 
Jim reported that last year 14 bags of trash were collected. 

 New Business

     1.Annual Reports: All member organizations submitted annual 
reports for 1996 in writing except for Jim Sherrell's oral report on 
the activities of Meramec Valley Grotto. 
     2.Elections: It was moved, seconded and passed unanimously 
after some discussion to retain the officers and members of the Data 
Management Committee. Philip Moss is President, Joel Laws is 
Vice-President, Philip Moss, Rick Toomey, and Jim Sherrell 
compose the Data Management Committee. 
     3.Next Meeting: There was discussion about coinciding with 
ISS Projects or MVOR. Jim Sherrell moved to hold the next 
meeting at the Fall 1997 MVOR on Sunday at Noon. The motion 
was seconded and passed unanimously. Jack Wood who is 
handling the Fall MVOR 1997 site selection for Windy City Grotto 
will determine the exact date and location. The Columbia Quarry at 
the old village of Valmeyer is the leading candidate location. Jack 
Wood will ensure that there is a suitable location for us to meet at 
the site. 
     4.Web Page: Rick Toomey and Jerry Jeremiah will create and 
maintain an ISS Web page including a logo. The Internet Presence 
Committee requested direction regarding a logo for the ISS. They 
were advised to choose at their discretion. Those with proposals 
should submit soon. Suggestions or complaints should be directed 
to Jerry Jeremiah. 
     5.Other groups that might be interested in the ISS: Discussion of 
reaching other groups that might be interested in involvement with 
the ISS. Suggestions include Walt Kelley at the Illinois State Water 
Survey and the Illinois Caverns manager(s). Discussion of groups 
that have not been responsive such as the Illinois State Geologic 
Survey. 
     6.Karst spring location publication: Philip Moss explained that 
increased care is needed regarding the handling of information 
about the locations of springs. Proceedings of a ground water 
conference revealed some exact locations of caves. The 
recommended policy is to avoid the publication of exact cave 
locations. Dr. Don Webb confirmed that the Illinois Natural History 
Survey's policy is to avoid the publication of cave locations. He 
explained that the fact that some spring locations are also cave 
locations was overlooked. He related that in the future more care 
will be taken with spring locations. 
     7.Discussion of changes to the ISS Constitution: Rick Toomey 
has suggestions for some changes. The proposed changes must be 
circulated in writing at least 45 days before the next meeting. 
     8.Waiver of the Database Maintenance Fee: Normally would be 
paid to the Illinois State Museum Society. Rick Toomey reported 
that this $200.00 fee will be waived again this year. 

 Meeting Adjourned


 Presentations

        The meeting was adjourned with presentations following by 
Randy Heidorn and Debbie Newman of the Illinois Nature 
Preserves Commission and Harry Hendrickson, a ground water 
educator from the Illinois Department of Natural Resources who is 
proposing a Karst Watch program. Send suggestions (see contact 
sheet). Special Use Permits must be obtained from Randy Heidorn 
before any research or collection can be made on Illinois Nature 
Preserves. There is no camping or fires permitted on Illinois Nature 
Preserves. including the Armin Krueger Speleological Nature 
Preserve. 
        [It is fairly obvious from the annual reports that this has not 
been well followed in the past - Philip Moss] 

 A Message from the President

        At the last meeting a number of maps were turned in to be 
archived. These maps were drawn by Tony Schmitt  (MVG), Philip 
Moss (MVG), and Joe Nelson (LEG). We have also received maps 
from Father Paul Wightman (ISS at-large) both drawn by him and 
Wayne Finch (deceased). These are the only people who have 
turned in maps to the best of my knowledge. I have locations from 
Larry Cohen (ex-WCG) and Larry Peterson (ex-Little Egypt) Why 
isn't your name on this list? Many of you may be confused. Even 
though it is taking a while to get the electronic database up and 
functioning, there is no reason not to be turning in hardcopy maps, 
and any kind of data on diskette, such as survey notes, maps, and 
research results. In the case of hardcopy maps, please send them on 
plastic. If they are small format (11" x 17" or smaller) a paper copy 
can be photocopied onto overheadtransparency material very easily. 
On the large format maps, if they are not inked on mylar, they can 
still bephotocopied onto film (Kinko's carries film 36" wide). 
Please send the maps, flat or rolled, to Rick Toomey (seecontact 
sheet). If putting them on plastic is too much for you, send them to 
me and I will transfer them, but don'tbe lazy. I could be out finding 
and mapping caves. Similarly, if you want help or advice on 
inking, feel free to askme. There are several people who are caving 
with me who have expressed an interest in practicing inking. 

        We have existed officially for two years and there has been a 
depressing lack of submitted material. Please track down the people 
you know that have finished maps and make a master copy to turn 
in. Contact the people you know with unfinished maps and get 
them to finish them. 

Philip L. Moss 
ISS President 
Illinois Speleological Survey, Inc. 


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